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Originally posted by Ekie:
If anyone is interested in a super glamorous vocation such as security officer, or armored car messenger/driver, I have positions available in Southern Missouri. We are frequently in need of Mall Ninjas.

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I am not yet a ninja, merely a student of the art of Ninjitsu, and I prefer not to have status such as "Ninja" laid upon me, for as yet I am unworthy of the title. I will be completing my ninjisu training in a little over 8 months, and then I will be a Master of Ninjitsu, a true "Ninja". But it is not my martial arts skills that make me so vital to the security of the mall, it is my tactical and strategic skills honed by years of intens on-site on the job training. My weapons skills are the envy of the squad, and I think that with my expertise I ought to be able to choose an effective and reliab;e weapon for CQC and urban combat, whicch is why I chose SW, the MP5's are junk comparatively.

As you may have noticed I do not hang out over here very often, but have some ran into the Mall Ninja before. SPECOPS is the great Mall Ninja of AR-15.com. I am usually over at AK-47.net and have not seen him there. His great tales are unrelated to SW as far as I can tell. It seems that he has other issues. Just cause a guy may seem off (some farther then others) does not mean he is Todd. Ask SPECOPS if he can smell a gun in the room.

Gecko

I was not comparing you to the great Mall Ninja SPECOPS, unless you both work at the same mall, or are the same person.

You would think this thread would be closed by now?

Nope, not on HK91.

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Originally posted by HKZ:
So now you are posting as some ranting idiot that goes by "SPECOPS" todd?

"SPECOPS" what the hell is "RAINBOW SIX," and how do you know so much about it?

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Boy, who the hell is Todd, and why do you have such a hardon for the guy???

No I'm not this 'Todd' character, and no, I won't put on a dress for you a pretend I am your boyfriend 'Todd.'

As for all this 'mall ninja' crap, I can't speak for my brother in arms, Gecko45, but I don't even work in a mall anymore. I work for an exclusive security corporation (yeah, corporation, that's why we get all the good c3 stuff, read up on your NFA laws you jacklegs).

We get contracted out to do security and surveillance by other corporations that are 'high risk' locations or 'high priority' targets for terrorists/corp. espionage/crimals/gangs, etc...

Yes I have 'worked' high risk security at certain malls, and yes the corp. I work for does do contract work for malls. That is why I know a lot about the topic. Or course I work higher profile assignments now. That's what 15 years experience, countless hours of training, 7 company citations, 3 gunshot wounds, 5 knife wounds, and a lot of hard work will do for you.

As far as the ninja stuff, yes we train are people in some forms of martial arts, but nobody here considers themselves a ninja.

Hey HKZ, you better get back to the TV, I think it's time for "Power Rangers" to come on.

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Originally posted by Nordic:
HahaHaHAHAhahAHahaHahaHaHAHAhahAHaha HahaHaHAHAhahAHahaHahaHaHAHAhahAHaha HahaHaHAHAhahAHahaHahaHaHAHAhahAHaha HahaHaHAHAhahAHahaHahaHaHAHAhahAHaha HahaHaHAHAhahAHahaHahaHaHAHAhahAHaha HahaHaHAHAhahAHahaHahaHaHAHAhahAHaha HahaHaHAHAhahAHahaHahaHaHAHAhahAHaha, oh please stop! You're killin' me! Listen here GeekOPS, you go right ahead and continue on with your little playtime fantasy. Myself and the others here have better things to do than listen to your little gun-lube fantasy. If you want to sit behind your computer, safe in the knowledge that no one knows who you are or that you still wear Spiderman underwear, and continue your little ego farts then more power to you. No one, and I mean NO ONE here believes a single word of what you are saying. So, we are all off to more intellectually stimulating topics and say goodbye to you and all your multiple personality dissorders. Bye, bye!

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Laugh on, laughing boy.

You're just jealous that SPECOPS and I have something to show for our lives and you do not. The Corporation's work is the only thing I can talk about, SPECOPS may have led a more adventurous career, but his actions must have been very above-board for him to be able to discuss this much of his work with you. My "Black-Ops" history ensures that you will never know about the missions I accepted in my younger days, and Vietnam still shudders when it hears the name of a an assasin so skillful and deadly, he is remembered decades later. I hope all of you manage to find some meaning in life, because you obviously have never put your life on the line for others, and until you have almost died, you have never lived. In my profession, you take risks that would be considered impossible to 99% of other men, and undergo pain that the mere shock of which would kill any three of you pantywaists.

Specops know what I mean, he's been, I can tell, and you can take his word for it, it's harder than you think.

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Originally posted by Ekie:
HZ

As you may have noticed I do not hang out over here very often, but have some ran into the Mall Ninja before. SPECOPS is the great Mall Ninja of AR-15.com. I am usually over at AK-47.net and have not seen him there. His great tales are unrelated to SW as far as I can tell. It seems that he has other issues. Just cause a guy may seem off (some farther then others) does not mean he is Todd. Ask SPECOPS if he can smell a gun in the room.

Gecko

I was not comparing you to the great Mall Ninja SPECOPS, unless you both work at the same mall, or are the same person.

[This message has been edited by Ekie (edited 03-25-2001).]

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Nice try jerkweed. No I'm not this Todd guy, no I'm not a 'mall ninja,' man you guys are paranoid! Do you do this to all the new members?

Ekie, maybe you are this Todd fella that HKZ is always ranting about. How about it, are you HKZ's boyfriend Todd???

And no, I don't go over to AR15.com or AK47.net or any of the other websites you like to spank-off to. I was here looking for info about my personally owned HK93 and saw you guys jumping all over Gecko45.

Don't you guys got anything better to do than bash some guy that has questions about his duty weapons???

If you can't take the heat, don't get into our profession. If your man enough, why don't you fill out the app. when you finally hit 18 in 5 years and we'll run you through the physical test, oral boards, psych test, backgroud check, credit check, etc...

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Originally posted by RICK314:
Dude, alot of these people just are too wrapped up in their own day to day activities to stop and see that their are folks with guns, keeping you and yours safe. Hats off to you Retail security types. I feel better knowing well trained security specop types are there with quality weapons keeping a sharp eye out for me and mine.
Thanks you brave and beautiful people.
Hows that partner of yours that does the prone support for your testicile, er a tactical firing type postitions.
Do you use secure comms?
Can the guys at Radio Shack tune into the real deal going on around them?
You guys should get more money? Thankless damn job imho.

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Thank you rick, it's nice to know that I have your support in this dark cruel world.

When not on solo ops, we do use secure communications devices, and no you cannot get them at Radio Shack. Military frequencies are scrambled using a 256 bit encryption algorithm, and it is well-nigh uncrackable in any reasonable amount of time.

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Originally posted by Nordic:
, oh please stop! You're killin' me! Listen here GeekOPS, you go right ahead and continue on with your little playtime fantasy. Myself and the others here have better things to do than listen to your little gun-lube fantasy. If you want to sit behind your computer, safe in the knowledge that no one knows who you are or that you still wear Spiderman underwear, and continue your little ego farts then more power to you. No one, and I mean NO ONE here believes a single word of what you are saying. So, we are all off to more intellectually stimulating topics and say goodbye to you and all your multiple personality dissorders. Bye, bye!

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You still here??? I thought it was nap time in Mr. Roger's neighborhood.

Don't worry, just ignore this thread like a big boy, and you can get back to more "intellectually stimulating topics," like: "what is the best Pokeman episode," or "which Olsen twin do you prefer to wack-off to."

I have not seen this much stupidity my entire life.

SPECOPS you sure do make a lot of references to homosexuality. That is a tale-tale sign of someone who is not secure with their manhood. It is obvious that you lack any qualities that a real man may have. I pity you and your obviously pathetic existence.

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Originally posted by HKZ:
For the love of god, why don't the moderators kill this thread?

I have not seen this much stupidity my entire life.

SPECOPS you sure do make a lot of references to homosexuality. That is a tale-tale sign of someone who is not secure with there manhood. It is obvious that you lack any qualities that a real man may have. I pity you and your obviously pathetic existence.

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Yeah Nancy, cry to the mods to kill the TRUTH. Just because you're too much of a Sally to hear REAL men talk about REAL life experiences.

BTW A one time experiementation while in the military, does not make one a homosexual. It's when you practice it daily, like yourself, that you become a homosexual.

Don't worry, even though you don't believe in me, or my work, I'd still save your sorry ass if you got into trouble in one of my secured areas. That's my job, and I practice it proudly.

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Originally posted by HKZ:
SPECOPS you couldn't break one of the school girls you stalk at your local elementary school, much less me. Not on your best day. I am sure you are sitting on your overweight ass typing away a your PC feeling really tough. It is amazing how tough one can be behind a computer screen. Keep it up with your threats if it makes you feel like a man. Luckily for you, you will never have to confront me face to face. You are nothing but a COWARD with a big mouth and a small brain.

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If 6'5" and 250lbs is overweight, than so be it.

Don't worry Lucy, you'll never have to confront me as long as you stay on the right side of the law. And that's the govts law and MY law, when your on territory I'm 'working.'

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Originally posted by SPECOPS:
However if you come into the sector I'm LRRPing with the intention of causing trouble, I'll break you into bite sized shrink-wrapped pieces so fast, you'll be Rottweiler poop-poo before you even begin to feel the pain.

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LMAO! Real tough guy on the internet here! Listen my feebleminded friend, grow up and knock off the threats or take it somewhere else.

dr.hk
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Post Script: This is a "HK-Compatible Guns" forum. Why are YOU here?

Maybe you can say Bushmaster is better then Colt or Kimber better then Colt, but not SW better then HK.

Todd, how many LE customers do you have....as in agencies that use your stuff?

SPECOPS, I believe I know something of your identity since your last two posts. Were you ever alingned, if not part of, our nation's "Special Forces"?

And for all of you who have a problem with real special operations guys, go try some of our work yourself, run a mile in our boots before you judge our decisions. I personally aplaud SPECOP's decision to continue to protect and serve, despite your constant baiting and whinnieg cause you're not as good as we are.

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Originally posted by Gecko45:

SPECOPS, I believe I know something of your identity since your last two posts. Were you ever alingned, if not part of, our nation's "Special Forces"?

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Gecko, I'd rather not disclose my service record over the net among all these civies.

No, I'm a not the individual you believe me to be, however I have worked in close contact with that individual in several operations elsewhere. I must say I admire his work, he is a true hero. I only wish I could get him to work for my company.

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Originally posted by dr.hk:
LMAO! Real tough guy on the internet here! Listen my feebleminded friend, grow up and knock off the threats or take it somewhere else.

dr.hk
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Post Script: This is a [b]"HK-Compatible Guns" forum. Why are YOU here?

[This message has been edited by dr.hk (edited 03-25-2001).][/B]

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Miss.hk,

there are no 'threats' going on from my part. I'm only promising to do my job, if I have to. Is it a 'threat' when a police officer tells a criminal to stay straight? No, similarly it is not a threat to remind a person that he better not break the law on my shift.

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Originally posted by SPECOPS:
Gecko, I'd rather not disclose my service record over the net among all these civies.

No, I'm a not the individual you believe me to be, however I have worked in close contact with that individual in several operations elsewhere. I must say I admire his work, he is a true hero. I only wish I could get him to work for my company.

I believe we may have met at that seminar on "Entry Tactics for the Security Specialist" a few weeks ago.

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I understand your concern, I am well acquainted with the operator in question, but you reminded me vividly of him.

An excellent seminar, by the way which I enjoyed immensely, demonstating to the instructor the proper procedure for breaching steel doorframes was a necessity, the man was a SEAL, and a demolitions expert, but I couldn't just let him blow himself up. Too much C4, improper detonator-I could go on, but you know what I mean and what I did.

What do you suppose is everyone's problem with a cpouple of real men, who have put their lives on the line so many times, for the good of the people, killed for their country, and they spit in our faces. I can't begin to uderstand why they're not more grataeful for our protection.

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do you need proof that your conclusions should be more drastic?

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Originally posted by SPECOPS:
Miss.hk,

there are no 'threats' going on from my part. I'm only promising to do my job, if I have to. Is it a 'threat' when a police officer tells a criminal to stay straight? No, similarly it is not a threat to remind a person that he better not break the law on my shift.

I don't claim to be a 'tough guy', but I have earned respect from my co-workers in a 'tough' field. You guys are the ones that jumped on Gecko for wanting a good duty gun, now who are the tough guys behind the keyboards???

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I agree wholeheartedly, why must every remonstration to remain a law-abiding citizen, so that we do not find it necessary to take you out, be seen as a threat. If a kid picks up a candy bar and runs, you give him a warning before you cuff him. Same with those mindless teenyboppers who go to the Hickory Farms store, and then take double samples of fruitcake and cheeselog, you warn them that they will be charged with a felony(grand theft), and that if they attempt to fight and run, they will be, unfortunately, first tazered, and if they continue to resist violently with intent to maim, then wounded. Fortunately, wounding fire to suppress teenage kleptomaniacs is relatively easy, they all run in straight lines, and a hit in the knee will be relatively simple from the second floor. But they all get a warning first, we do not simply shoot shoplifters unless they resist violently. Buttstroking those who attempt to injure me is another story. Consider this your warning, HKsissy, because we'll aim for center if you get dangerous or violent on our patrols. You do not understand how difficult our job is, or you would be grateful for this warning you have been given-whether you are on SPECOPS's turf, or on mine, you will not repeat not act up with iniquity.

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Originally posted by Gecko45:
I understand your concern, I am well acquainted with the operator in question, but you reminded me vividly of him.

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Well, I did learn a lot from that particular operator. I studied his tactics in depth. In a way you could call him my mentor.

I enjoyed the seminar a lot, but didn't actually learn anything new and unique. Those young SOCOM types just don't know what it's really like.

As far as the heat we've been catching from these chairborne ranger types, I think it is for two reasons: first they are jealous of our experiences, and that we get to actually use the guns that they beat-off to nightly (pictures of the guns, because they aren't old enough to own the real things). Second they don't understand the dangers we are faced with every day, protecting their asses.

Back when I was working inventory loss prevention, we dealt mostly against gang members and other assorted thugs. People don't realize the sort of gear these guys are packing. Gone are the days of gangbangers armed with chrome Lorcin .25s and tec 9s. A lot of these kids are sporting Glocks in 10mm and .357, some USPs, Sigs, and an occasional Desert Eagle in .50AE. Usually they are wearing at least level IIA concealible vests. Long arms range from AKs to AR15s, the usual shotguns and some long-range stuff. Ran into one with a Rem700p in 300 win-mag with a Leupold Mk4 sitting on top of it.

Some of these kids have been enlisting to get the military training and they go AWOL and teach the other punks what they've learned, especially CQB and MOUT. Hell, I've run into a share of amature 'gunsmiths.' One kid had a SKS modified for FA and it was cut down to a Krinkov like-carbine length with a folding stock. Another had Rem1100 modified to fire in FA and modified to accept a 20rd drum from a USAS12.

I explained why I was asking so many questions, and told him the jist of this thread as it stood when I left my house. We discussed security, and the arming of security guards. The guards at Westcor are hired by Westcor. The are allowed to carry handcuffs and mace. The SENIOR shift officer carries an auto pistol, he was not sure of caliber. He then explained that there are no long guns allowed due to Westcor policy. Especially not hidden under the seat of the golf cart.

I then aked him if "this would be allowed, either on the roof, or in the docks, or anywhere on mall property?" I opened my 91 and I thought he was going to shit in his pants. He could not believe that I thought any such weapon would be allowed in a mall. I do not think he had ever seen the "black rifle" before.

6'5"!

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Originally posted by defii:
Gecko45 and SPACECOP:
I thought I had seen it all.....So while you guys were telling your stories to each other, I walked to the house next door to get some answers. I brought an HK91 along in a case, just to show it to him.

Next door to me lives one of the owners of the mall giant Westcor. They own most malls and shopping centers in Arizona, including one at which there was a gang related shooting INSIDE the mall not too long ago.

I explained why I was asking so many questions, and told him the jist of this thread as it stood when I left my house. We discussed security, and the arming of security guards. The guards at Westcor are hired by Westcor. The are allowed to carry handcuffs and mace. The SENIOR shift officer carries an auto pistol, he was not sure of caliber. He then explained that there are no long guns allowed due to Westcor policy. Especially not hidden under the seat of the golf cart.

I then aked him if "this would be allowed, either on the roof, or in the docks, or anywhere on mall property?" I opened my 91 and I thought he was going to shit in his pants. He could not believe that I thought any such weapon would be allowed in a mall. I do not think he had ever seen the "black rifle" before.

My point to you is, bow out gracefully, if such an exit is possible at this point. You do not use .308 caliber weapons to guard a mall. No way, no how. Sorry. Game over.

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Okaaaaay...When did I say I was located in Arizona, or hired by Westcor? I'm not even technically employed by the mall I'm stationed at, my orders come from "higher up", hint, hint. Sure, most regular overweight mall security guards would not be armed, they would lose a Fullsize frame handgun in the blubber on their waistline, why arm them? The elite, however, have specail privilages, and I can assure you that my orders go far-far enough that I could go around Kennedy airport yelling "Hi Jack!", and that a simple phone call and codeword would have me released in 5 minutes, with my weapon, be what it may. As I said, my orders go far and while my reasons for protecting this mall remain a matter of national security, if the above does not convince you that I am employed in a capacity that goes above and beyond halting shoplifters, nothing will.

GeekOPS, if you want to respond to this go right ahead. I could really care less. The only reason I've replied again is to let real members who make useful contributions to this board know that responding to your mental masterbating is an utter waste of time.

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Originally posted by HKZ:
SPECOPS,

6'5"!

Wow, I did not know that crap could be stacked that high.

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You should know, you seem like the kind of guy that plays with your own feces...

We have a name for guys like you in the 'industry': fecal-freaks. One time I had to do an dynamic entry on the ladies bathroom, because some freak had snuck in there and was trying to smear excrement on one of the lady patrons.

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Originally posted by Nordic:
That way the rest of us can return to the reason we visit this board in the first place; to share information and experiences concerning some of the finest firearms ever made.

GeekOPS, if you want to respond to this go right ahead. I could really care less. The only reason I've replied again is to let real members who make useful contributions to this board know that responding to your mental masterbating is an utter waste of time.

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GEE, and all this time I thought the purpose of this board was to harass and critize this Todd character.

Oh well, I'll let you get back to it.

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Originally posted by SPECOPS:
Well, I did learn a lot from that particular operator. I studied his tactics in depth. In a way you could call him my mentor.

I enjoyed the seminar a lot, but didn't actually learn anything new and unique. Those young SOCOM types just don't know what it's really like.

As far as the heat we've been catching from these chairborne ranger types, I think it is for two reasons: first they are jealous of our experiences, and that we get to actually use the guns that they beat-off to nightly (pictures of the guns, because they aren't old enough to own the real things). Second they don't understand the dangers we are faced with every day, protecting their asses.

Back when I was working inventory loss prevention, we dealt mostly against gang members and other assorted thugs. People don't realize the sort of gear these guys are packing. Gone are the days of gangbangers armed with chrome Lorcin .25s and tec 9s. A lot of these kids are sporting Glocks in 10mm and .357, some USPs, Sigs, and an occasional Desert Eagle in .50AE. Usually they are wearing at least level IIA concealible vests. Long arms range from AKs to AR15s, the usual shotguns and some long-range stuff. Ran into one with a Rem700p in 300 win-mag with a Leupold Mk4 sitting on top of it.

Some of these kids have been enlisting to get the military training and they go AWOL and teach the other punks what they've learned, especially CQB and MOUT. Hell, I've run into a share of amature 'gunsmiths.' One kid had a SKS modified for FA and it was cut down to a Krinkov like-carbine length with a folding stock. Another had Rem1100 modified to fire in FA and modified to accept a 20rd drum from a USAS12.

Now that I work mainly in corporate security, you wouldn't believe the gear these corp. espionage types use. Temp. controlled level IV suits to beat the heat sensors, PVS14 goggles, MP5K-N PDWs with KAC cans, I could go on and on about those guys...

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I know what you mean. The Neo's are getting fierce around here, the NeoNazis, they have just recently discovered the Grizzly Big Boar .50BMG rifle, and since they must be getting funding from someone, perhaps that well known surviving faction in E. Geermany, I can't confiscate their cut down versions before they're right back with another one but fortunately, since their MO is surpise and concealment, the fools don't bother to put even a cheap Leapers scope on them, and that gives me that tacticla advantage, and thgus far they have missed both time they shot the decoy before confiscation could be initiated.